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	<title>Comments on: I ditched my Media Temple Grid-Container</title>
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	<link>http://www.onedigitallife.com/2011/02/12/i-ditched-my-media-temple-grid-container/</link>
	<description>The personal weblog of paul burd, multimedia designer.</description>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.onedigitallife.com/2011/02/12/i-ditched-my-media-temple-grid-container/#comment-301495</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2012 18:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a really useful post, because I am going through the same issues.
I actually hosts about 30 websites on one of my containers and the database crashes frequently. I am not a MySQL expert, but I see the issue being at the number of open tables. It is hitting the max 1024 of 1024 most of the time and this has only become an issue when I started paying the extra $20 per month for the Database container service.

I&#039;ve hacked most of the website&#039;s theme files to minimize database queries, but it didn&#039;t really help. 

I want to track down which database is causing the issue, but there is no tool that MediaTemple provides.

Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really useful post, because I am going through the same issues.<br />
I actually hosts about 30 websites on one of my containers and the database crashes frequently. I am not a MySQL expert, but I see the issue being at the number of open tables. It is hitting the max 1024 of 1024 most of the time and this has only become an issue when I started paying the extra $20 per month for the Database container service.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve hacked most of the website&#8217;s theme files to minimize database queries, but it didn&#8217;t really help. </p>
<p>I want to track down which database is causing the issue, but there is no tool that MediaTemple provides.</p>
<p>Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.onedigitallife.com/2011/02/12/i-ditched-my-media-temple-grid-container/#comment-284675</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul,

I&#039;m the author of the WP Latency Tracker plugin. It&#039;s great to see it in use and helping out.

I wrote the plugin for exactly the reasons that you outlined here and touched on:

&lt;blockquote&gt;They generally blame the user and rarely want to entertain the idea that the problem could be on their end.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I &lt;a href=&quot;http://skfox.com/2010/03/24/some-thoughts-on-media-temple/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;speculated&lt;/a&gt; like you that the perpetually upcoming (cs) is simply a working(!) version of (gs). Time will tell if (mt) figures it all out and makes their hosting platform live up to the marketing hype. 

If you have any suggestions for new features to the plugin, please let me know. I plan on changing the flash charts over to javascript, allow zoom in/out controls, better reporting, exporting, sidebar stats, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the author of the WP Latency Tracker plugin. It&#8217;s great to see it in use and helping out.</p>
<p>I wrote the plugin for exactly the reasons that you outlined here and touched on:</p>
<blockquote><p>They generally blame the user and rarely want to entertain the idea that the problem could be on their end.</p></blockquote>
<p>I <a href="http://skfox.com/2010/03/24/some-thoughts-on-media-temple/" rel="nofollow">speculated</a> like you that the perpetually upcoming (cs) is simply a working(!) version of (gs). Time will tell if (mt) figures it all out and makes their hosting platform live up to the marketing hype. </p>
<p>If you have any suggestions for new features to the plugin, please let me know. I plan on changing the flash charts over to javascript, allow zoom in/out controls, better reporting, exporting, sidebar stats, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://www.onedigitallife.com/2011/02/12/i-ditched-my-media-temple-grid-container/#comment-283894</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great tip on how to know what cluster a site is on. Thanks.

The rigidity of the grid actually makes sense. Until a couple months ago I was still on MySQL 4. For years they told me my account couldn&#039;t be upgraded because it was too old. They said I would have to open a new account, manually move everything over, and then close the original account. I waited so long to do it that they eventually came up with a way to upgrade me.

I also find it very curious that clusters 5 and 6 resolve to clusterserver.net (vs. gridserver.net). &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediatemple.net/labs/cs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cluster Server (cs)&lt;/a&gt; is the name of their (long overdue) next-gen shared hosting package that will replace (gs). I wonder if 5 and 6 actually use some of that technology now?

You have a nice weekend too :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great tip on how to know what cluster a site is on. Thanks.</p>
<p>The rigidity of the grid actually makes sense. Until a couple months ago I was still on MySQL 4. For years they told me my account couldn&#8217;t be upgraded because it was too old. They said I would have to open a new account, manually move everything over, and then close the original account. I waited so long to do it that they eventually came up with a way to upgrade me.</p>
<p>I also find it very curious that clusters 5 and 6 resolve to clusterserver.net (vs. gridserver.net). <a href="http://www.mediatemple.net/labs/cs/" rel="nofollow">Cluster Server (cs)</a> is the name of their (long overdue) next-gen shared hosting package that will replace (gs). I wonder if 5 and 6 actually use some of that technology now?</p>
<p>You have a nice weekend too :)</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.onedigitallife.com/2011/02/12/i-ditched-my-media-temple-grid-container/#comment-283892</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I were able to tell it like this:
http://www.onedigitallife.com/gs-bin/gridinfo

Normally I&#039;d say there shouldn&#039;t be a difference in something like this, but it seems the grid is pretty... ehm... rigidly built, in the sense that I&#039;ve had MySQL version 5.1.26 or something like that, ever since I got them to upgrade me to version 5. So it seems like they can&#039;t easily just deploy updates. So, each grid cluster may be somehow unique, and the older ones are updated on a very slow scale, while the new ones are built from the beginning with newer software and hardware. Makes sense?

Have a nice weekend =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I were able to tell it like this:<br />
<a href="http://www.onedigitallife.com/gs-bin/gridinfo" rel="nofollow">http://www.onedigitallife.com/gs-bin/gridinfo</a></p>
<p>Normally I&#8217;d say there shouldn&#8217;t be a difference in something like this, but it seems the grid is pretty&#8230; ehm&#8230; rigidly built, in the sense that I&#8217;ve had MySQL version 5.1.26 or something like that, ever since I got them to upgrade me to version 5. So it seems like they can&#8217;t easily just deploy updates. So, each grid cluster may be somehow unique, and the older ones are updated on a very slow scale, while the new ones are built from the beginning with newer software and hardware. Makes sense?</p>
<p>Have a nice weekend =)</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://www.onedigitallife.com/2011/02/12/i-ditched-my-media-temple-grid-container/#comment-283886</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize 5 and 6 were newer, but that makes sense with something that I&#039;ve noticed... I have a client on cluster 6 and in my tests their site is much faster, and they experience far less latency. Thanks for the information.

How were you able to tell I&#039;m on cluster 1?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize 5 and 6 were newer, but that makes sense with something that I&#8217;ve noticed&#8230; I have a client on cluster 6 and in my tests their site is much faster, and they experience far less latency. Thanks for the information.</p>
<p>How were you able to tell I&#8217;m on cluster 1?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 08:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well they (mt) say there&#039;s no difference between being on various clusters. Yet many people feel the opposite way. I&#039;m on cluster 6 and you&#039;re on cluster 1, so there may indeed be differences. Some speculate it&#039;s because clusters 1 – 4 resolve via DNS to gridserver.net, while clusters 5 and 6 resolve to clusterserver.net, so in conclusion clusters 5, 6 and newer are built on a newer architecture. Could be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well they (mt) say there&#8217;s no difference between being on various clusters. Yet many people feel the opposite way. I&#8217;m on cluster 6 and you&#8217;re on cluster 1, so there may indeed be differences. Some speculate it&#8217;s because clusters 1 – 4 resolve via DNS to gridserver.net, while clusters 5 and 6 resolve to clusterserver.net, so in conclusion clusters 5, 6 and newer are built on a newer architecture. Could be true.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://www.onedigitallife.com/2011/02/12/i-ditched-my-media-temple-grid-container/#comment-283865</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, I&#039;m not sure on the tracking.

Right now I&#039;m running a caching plugin. Without it my site would be running horribly slow. The wordpress admin site is painfully slow for me now - almost to the point of being unusable.

I believe that how well a (gs) account runs depends heavily on which cluster you&#039;re on. Some are slow and some are fast, so it&#039;s just a matter of luck, unfortunately.

I&#039;m actually debating on asking to be moved to a new cluster, or possibly even upgrading to (dv).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, I&#8217;m not sure on the tracking.</p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m running a caching plugin. Without it my site would be running horribly slow. The wordpress admin site is painfully slow for me now &#8211; almost to the point of being unusable.</p>
<p>I believe that how well a (gs) account runs depends heavily on which cluster you&#8217;re on. Some are slow and some are fast, so it&#8217;s just a matter of luck, unfortunately.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually debating on asking to be moved to a new cluster, or possibly even upgrading to (dv).</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.onedigitallife.com/2011/02/12/i-ditched-my-media-temple-grid-container/#comment-283864</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I see... I wonder if the slow query tracking tool would log queries as slow if the database server in general got slowed down? So in essence they&#039;re not really &quot;slow queries&quot; but rather just being executed slowly, and logged as such?

I had a gridcontainer a while back, but didn&#039;t notive a big enough speed improvement in order to warrant the price. The waves (latency range) maybe got smaller, but the actual watermark was maybe a bit higher even. 

The migration back and forth between smartpool and container was so smooth that I actually got suspicious as to whether the containers are just marketing hype, with more memory allocated to your account, but you&#039;re still essentially on the smartpool;)

All that said, I think these last couple of months has been very stable and speedy enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I see&#8230; I wonder if the slow query tracking tool would log queries as slow if the database server in general got slowed down? So in essence they&#8217;re not really &#8220;slow queries&#8221; but rather just being executed slowly, and logged as such?</p>
<p>I had a gridcontainer a while back, but didn&#8217;t notive a big enough speed improvement in order to warrant the price. The waves (latency range) maybe got smaller, but the actual watermark was maybe a bit higher even. </p>
<p>The migration back and forth between smartpool and container was so smooth that I actually got suspicious as to whether the containers are just marketing hype, with more memory allocated to your account, but you&#8217;re still essentially on the smartpool;)</p>
<p>All that said, I think these last couple of months has been very stable and speedy enough.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
		<link>http://www.onedigitallife.com/2011/02/12/i-ditched-my-media-temple-grid-container/#comment-283863</link>
		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Oliver - Well, I&#039;m really not sure. The queries being generated would suddenly spike in both number and latency - logging hundreds of thousands of extra queries. But, there was no corresponding spike in traffic. Media Temple couldn&#039;t offer any explanation for this, and the log was pretty useless.

Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onedigitallife.com/images/latency-tracker.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a screenshot&lt;/a&gt; from the WP latency tracker.

These extra (slow) queries seem to come from nowhere. That why I called them, &quot;phantom&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Oliver &#8211; Well, I&#8217;m really not sure. The queries being generated would suddenly spike in both number and latency &#8211; logging hundreds of thousands of extra queries. But, there was no corresponding spike in traffic. Media Temple couldn&#8217;t offer any explanation for this, and the log was pretty useless.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.onedigitallife.com/images/latency-tracker.png" rel="nofollow">a screenshot</a> from the WP latency tracker.</p>
<p>These extra (slow) queries seem to come from nowhere. That why I called them, &#8220;phantom&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.onedigitallife.com/2011/02/12/i-ditched-my-media-temple-grid-container/#comment-283859</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you clarify a little what you mean by

&quot;The built-in query analyzer was logging hundreds of thousands of (phantom) slow queries&quot;

??

Where they not real, slow queries (hence phantom) or were you just unable to find out where they were originating from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you clarify a little what you mean by</p>
<p>&#8220;The built-in query analyzer was logging hundreds of thousands of (phantom) slow queries&#8221;</p>
<p>??</p>
<p>Where they not real, slow queries (hence phantom) or were you just unable to find out where they were originating from?</p>
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